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theactualcluegirl:
Ok guys, I get that we’re definitely mad at Feighe, and the producers (and the writers, and the directors) for the way they treated our favorites in these last few movies, BUT I need to point out something else here; someone with MASSIVE influence over what goes into – and stays in – these films: someone who can actually go to a huge production company like Marvel and say “Okay, but these characters who brought down a government agency? We know people like them, and so you can’t just get rid of them, but let’s focus on Other People from here on in, okay?” and have Marvel/Disney kinda just nod its head.
That force? Is the investors. Specifically, the Military investors, which we know damned well is hip deep in Hollywood, making sure its face is presented as shiny and keen to the up-coming generation of Soldiers.
In my opinion, THAT is why Civil War was filmed as it was, with the man fighting for civil liberties played out as the ultimate betrayer, and the man fighting for government control portrayed as the victim. Because the Powers That Pay said “hey, we’ll invest in this film, sure, but we have a few… Conditions…”
And, because say what you like about it, Disney is a business, it rolled over and told Feighe, M&M, and the Russos How It Was Going To Be. And How It Was Going To Be, was that the Iconoclast Hero would get a few nice scenes, but be taken out of all future storylines, and the Whistleblower Spy would get a similar treatment, but ultimately, they weren’t to be made more of than the Government Control Supporting Billionaire.
Because in the end, it all comes down to money. And the big money here, is in War.
thehollowprince:
Natasha Romanoff Deserved Better
Obviously, right?
There are several things I could point out with that title, but I’m only going to talk about one (others to follow), which is about the fact that Nat didn’t get any kind of funeral or memorial in ENDGAME while Stark got this big, over-the-top thing (naturally).
According to the writers and directors and whoever else, Natasha wasn’t given a big funeral because “she was a behind-the-scenes person”. All of her big work happened off the books, where as Tony was this big public figure that naturally would get a big memorial.
The only problem with that bullshit logic, is that Tony’s funeral wasn’t some big public spectacle. It was a private ceremony on his private property with the Avengers and Guardians in attendance (and that kid from IM3), that’s it. This wasn’t some big patriotic ceremony like when Superman died in BATMAN v. SUPERMAN. So why was he granted such a big funeral when Nat gor shafted (again)? (I know why, but I want an actual reason aside from Feige and co. worshiping RDJ)
What really exacerbates this whole issue is FAR FROM HOME.
Now, with Marvel’s bullshit privacy policy running rampant, with most of the actors not even knowing what’s going on, one could be willing to overlook this, but we know that Feige is in charge of everything, so that’s not the case here. Feige knew, with FFH coming out right after that there were those bullshit Iron Man memorials all over Europe, despite the fact that we’ve been shown that Eastern Europe doesn’t particularly like him. Ans completely ignoring the whole thing of “how would the world know?”
Seriously, how?
What happened at the Avengers compound was witnessed only by the Avengers and Thanos’ army, which is gone, so how did the rest of the world find out about it? Granted, I could see Tony using his (stolen) technology to post-mortem let the world know that he had saved it, because his ego’s just that big.
But, back to my main point. If they knew there were going to be all these ridiculous moments that once again made a Spiderman movie about Tony, why couldn’t they give us an actual memorial for Natasha?
theactualcluegirl:
Ok guys, I get that we’re definitely mad at Feighe, and the producers (and the writers, and the directors) for the way they treated our favorites in these last few movies, BUT I need to point out something else here; someone with MASSIVE influence over what goes into – and stays in – these films: someone who can actually go to a huge production company like Marvel and say “Okay, but these characters who brought down a government agency? We know people like them, and so you can’t just get rid of them, but let’s focus on Other People from here on in, okay?” and have Marvel/Disney kinda just nod its head.
That force? Is the investors. Specifically, the Military investors, which we know damned well is hip deep in Hollywood, making sure its face is presented as shiny and keen to the up-coming generation of Soldiers.
In my opinion, THAT is why Civil War was filmed as it was, with the man fighting for civil liberties played out as the ultimate betrayer, and the man fighting for government control portrayed as the victim. Because the Powers That Pay said “hey, we’ll invest in this film, sure, but we have a few… Conditions…”
And, because say what you like about it, Disney is a business, it rolled over and told Feighe, M&M, and the Russos How It Was Going To Be. And How It Was Going To Be, was that the Iconoclast Hero would get a few nice scenes, but be taken out of all future storylines, and the Whistleblower Spy would get a similar treatment, but ultimately, they weren’t to be made more of than the Government Control Supporting Billionaire.
Because in the end, it all comes down to money. And the big money here, is in War.
thehollowprince:
Natasha Romanoff Deserved Better
Obviously, right?
There are several things I could point out with that title, but I’m only going to talk about one (others to follow), which is about the fact that Nat didn’t get any kind of funeral or memorial in ENDGAME while Stark got this big, over-the-top thing (naturally).
According to the writers and directors and whoever else, Natasha wasn’t given a big funeral because “she was a behind-the-scenes person”. All of her big work happened off the books, where as Tony was this big public figure that naturally would get a big memorial.
The only problem with that bullshit logic, is that Tony’s funeral wasn’t some big public spectacle. It was a private ceremony on his private property with the Avengers and Guardians in attendance (and that kid from IM3), that’s it. This wasn’t some big patriotic ceremony like when Superman died in BATMAN v. SUPERMAN. So why was he granted such a big funeral when Nat gor shafted (again)? (I know why, but I want an actual reason aside from Feige and co. worshiping RDJ)
What really exacerbates this whole issue is FAR FROM HOME.
Now, with Marvel’s bullshit privacy policy running rampant, with most of the actors not even knowing what’s going on, one could be willing to overlook this, but we know that Feige is in charge of everything, so that’s not the case here. Feige knew, with FFH coming out right after that there were those bullshit Iron Man memorials all over Europe, despite the fact that we’ve been shown that Eastern Europe doesn’t particularly like him. Ans completely ignoring the whole thing of “how would the world know?”
Seriously, how?
What happened at the Avengers compound was witnessed only by the Avengers and Thanos’ army, which is gone, so how did the rest of the world find out about it? Granted, I could see Tony using his (stolen) technology to post-mortem let the world know that he had saved it, because his ego’s just that big.
But, back to my main point. If they knew there were going to be all these ridiculous moments that once again made a Spiderman movie about Tony, why couldn’t they give us an actual memorial for Natasha?
